It's a dead set worry that in these new estates you can not get ADSL broadband with whoever you like.

The 'sweetheart' deal that Tel$tra did with the current Federal Government grants them exclusive ADSL2+ provision to anyone who is on lines capable of ADSL2+, as they do not have to give access to ADSL2+ to other ISP's, unless the other ISP's pay to have their own DSLAM's installed in the exchange, and that's highly unlikely to happen to places like Jimboomba, let alone Flagstone, Munruben, Cedar Grove, etc., due to the costs involved and little to no return on their investments.

Once the big 'T' has locked everyone in to 2 year contracts, no other ISP will invest in their own infrastructure in the exchanges for at least 2 years!

Yep, I've been saying that all the way through all these years, Councils that haven't made requirements on developers to provide proper telecommunication services in their new development.

Yep, they'll help you alright, and help you lighten your load in your hip pocket at the same time. 


Once again you really need to lobby all your neighbours and work together to get ADSL in to your streets.

Actually you are very much restricted to tel$tra with ADSL2+ out this way. They have advised all parties concerned that they will not be providing ADSL2+ to anyone but bigpong clients. Very biased and unfair to everyone else... so now you'll be stuck with a piddly little download limit, where they will bill you when you go over, and with ADSL2+ speeds that'll mount up rather rapidly (remember some of the horror stories on TodayTonight with people with bogpond bills over $1000 in a month!).



Exactly the actions people need to take to get ADSL.  Sadly though most people sit back and just whinge about it, rather than getting organised to make something happen.

Before they were called Cirrus Communications, they started out as Comms Logic, and have had several name changes in between, so I have been told.

I recently got a new customer over to us from Cirrus, who was basically led to believe he couldn't get ADSL where he was, but we were able to get him hooked up to ADSL. His main reason for trying us was because he rarely got any internet connection through his Cirrus wireless connection, and when he did it was very slow and totally unsatisfactory for him. He contacted them on several occasions, and had tech's come out to his house to try to rectify things, but without much luck. His house is in a fairly elevated location, with the aerial pointed to the Buccan base station, so Line Of Sight (LOS) should not have been an issue, however his aerial was pointing slightly skyward, which it always had been, and which the tech's ignored.


Anyway, back to your situation, I would be getting your neighbours together to work as a group to lobby both your developer and all levels of government to rectify this absymal situation with the PGS.

There are other wireless providers like iBurst, but most wireless is now coming via mobile phone networks. We have actually looked at providing wireless access ourselves, but so far we haven't found a viable option for our customers, where we can provide good access at a reasonable price. It's so far been reasonable price and cruddy service, or great service at an extraordinary price, but we're still looking.

Okay, my business does adsl with static IP for most areas, however I am very surprised such a new development like Glenlogan Lakes estate allowed tel$tra to get away on the cheap by putting in PairGain Systems (PGS), and personal I think that's a pretty poor effort on the developers to let them get away with doing that.

The rewiring is what they call a transposition, which is taking you off the PGS and putting you on to clean copper (new cable that isn't shared like PGS is). This cabling goes all the way back to the exchange, so clearly it is something only tel$tra can do.

Yes, I see they're trying to push people on to their NextG mobile network, which is a whole lot more expensive than adsl.

The suggestion that was made of getting a group of neighbours together to lobby your local member is a good idea.

There was/is a Beaudesert Camera Club, which was tied in with a camera shop in Beaudesert near the Mitre 10 hardware.

You might like to call in one day and ask about it.

A little warning about satellite broadband is that if you don't get a full duplex link, i.e. in and out via satellite, you'll still be stuck with a dialup outbound link. Last time I looked full duplex satellite was just under $300 per month.

Also, now that we've started to get some rain, and those with Austar and Foxtel satellite can tell you too, is that when you get a decent amount of rain within around 50km, you'll get a lot of breakup/loss of signal with due to the size of the dish. Get a 2 or 3 metre sized dish, and you won't get anywhere near the same sorts of issues with rain, but who really wants a 3 metre dish in your backyard ?

Yes, that's right, the reality is that accidents do happen and more often than not it not because someone was sitting above a signposted speed limit, but due to human stupidity.

The article in the paper appears to indicate that it was just plain stupidity, where one car ran up the back of another car turning in to a driveway. In that case you could've had a speed limit of just 60km/h on that road, and that car would've still been hit up the back.

Fact of life is that Camp Cable Road is a major thoroughfare between Logan Village and Jimboomba, which since it was upgraded was given a 100km/h speed limit.

Seems like the Jimboomba Times took great exception to my letter, and chose to cut out :-



Seems like they don't like the idea of people having the choice for an interactive discussion, or they are running scared of the idea that a free forum might become more popular than them.... I don't think they need to worry about that, do they ?  Smiley

They don't appear to be too switched on at the Jimboomba Times either, as the photo's caption next to my letter states :-


I thought I was talking about Camp Cable Road? 

Interesting article in the Jimboomba Times a couple of weeks ago where where driver error (rather than speed) caused a accident where are car ran up the rear of another car, pushing it off the road in to a ditch.

One resident along with his neighbour has decided that the road that they've lived on for all of these years now needs the speed limit dropped from 100km/h to 80km/h, and that will supposedly stop all the driver error accidents ?

Excerpts from my letter in the Jimboomba Times :-

Clearly this accident that occurred outside of Mr Power's property had nothing at all to do with the speed limit currently enforced on Camp Cable Road, but quite simply driver error/stupidity/inattention, and would've occurred whether the speed limit was 100km/h or 60km/h.

Until we can legislate against driver stupidity, we will continue to have road accidents. At a National TravelSafe convention in Brisbane it was shown that in the Top Five causes of accidents, driver error/stupidity/lack of skills is number one on the list, well ahead of other traditionally seen causes, with speeding coming in at number FIVE on that list.

I think what Mr Power's and Mrs Lyons need to remember is that they chose to live on a main arterial road and that means they'll see a lot more traffic and resultant 'driver errors' than what those who live on a quiet residential street. Having the speed limit dropped for their own peace of mind  means nothing in the scale of things to come, history has proven time and time again when road has an acceptable speed limit means that most people will obey it, but when the speed limit is patently too low, most people will not only ignore it, but drive faster than they used to on it, as a way of thumbing their noses at what they see as a ridiculous reduction it.

This can be seen time and time again, with roads like Hein Road which after a major upgrade to make the road vastly safer, was dropped from 80km/h to 60km/h. You only need to spend 5 minutes there to see the contempt most motorists have of that reduced speed limit, and all it then becomes is a easy way to boost the government coffers with speeding fines, which is exactly what Camp Cable Road will become if Mr Power and his neighbour get their way.

I would like to know what Mr Power and his neighbour are planning to demand the speed limit be dropped again, when they find that a 80km/h speed limit is "too fast" for their liking. Are they going to push for a 60km/h limit a year or two after they get their first wish ?

I would suggest that those who use Camp Cable Road and are otherwise safe drivers, don't sit back and think that it won't happen, because it will happen if you don't make it known that you disagree with this short sighted demand. If you have internet access, you might like to discuss this in the forums at www.loganvillage.net and agree or disagree with this particular issue, and if need be discuss it more fully than you can in this newspaper.



I welcome your comments, as like many of you out there I see the actions of the minority taking over the wishes of the majority, as through the many years I've lived here, roads that have needed a slow down have been ignored, yet key roads have not only had the speed limit dropped, but have had solid no-overtaking white lines down stretches of straight roadway for reasons no greater than "because we can".

Now that things have settled down a bit, how does everyone think it's going along now?

I've noticed important roadworks like the roundabout at Latimer and Miller roads has come to a complete stop, and will not be completed by the Beaudesert council, as it's now in the Logan City Council area, yet the roundabout had already been completely funded by BSC.

Yeah, I wish they would too.... seems a shame that such a possibly good forum is going to waste because the locals don't want to use it.

Once they rezone the school grounds as commercial, the developers will no doubt offer the Education Department top dollar for the land, which will mean they will have the money and no excuses to move the school to East Street, where it really belongs and kids will no longer have to congregate around Mt Lindesay Highway crossing, i.e. make it safer for the kids as they won't have to cross it anymore.

With the school land available for redevelopment adjoining the existing shopping centre, I have no doubt we'd get a bigger shopping centre for Jimboomba.

That's the least they could do.

Pretty much every other shopping centre has shades in the car parks these days, and those that don't have a disadvantage to those that do.

Sure there's the undercover section up the top, but there isn't all that many spaces there, as well as a long way to push a fully laden shopping trolley up the hill.