I'm somewhat biased, but take a look at http://www.overflow.net.au 

The problem out this way is often due to PairGain Systems (PGS), which is where Tel$tra run two phone lines off the one copper pair. Of course there's still issues with distance from the exchange that can prevent you from getting adsl.

The reason why there's so many lines out here with PGS is to do with costs, and the fact that developers and the council just let it happen to save the developers a few dollars, and the council being just happy to hear that the development has power and phone.

Okay, my business does adsl with static IP for most areas, however I am very surprised such a new development like Glenlogan Lakes estate allowed tel$tra to get away on the cheap by putting in PairGain Systems (PGS), and personal I think that's a pretty poor effort on the developers to let them get away with doing that.

The rewiring is what they call a transposition, which is taking you off the PGS and putting you on to clean copper (new cable that isn't shared like PGS is). This cabling goes all the way back to the exchange, so clearly it is something only tel$tra can do.

Yes, I see they're trying to push people on to their NextG mobile network, which is a whole lot more expensive than adsl.

The suggestion that was made of getting a group of neighbours together to lobby your local member is a good idea.

Before they were called Cirrus Communications, they started out as Comms Logic, and have had several name changes in between, so I have been told.

I recently got a new customer over to us from Cirrus, who was basically led to believe he couldn't get ADSL where he was, but we were able to get him hooked up to ADSL. His main reason for trying us was because he rarely got any internet connection through his Cirrus wireless connection, and when he did it was very slow and totally unsatisfactory for him. He contacted them on several occasions, and had tech's come out to his house to try to rectify things, but without much luck. His house is in a fairly elevated location, with the aerial pointed to the Buccan base station, so Line Of Sight (LOS) should not have been an issue, however his aerial was pointing slightly skyward, which it always had been, and which the tech's ignored.


Anyway, back to your situation, I would be getting your neighbours together to work as a group to lobby both your developer and all levels of government to rectify this absymal situation with the PGS.

There are other wireless providers like iBurst, but most wireless is now coming via mobile phone networks. We have actually looked at providing wireless access ourselves, but so far we haven't found a viable option for our customers, where we can provide good access at a reasonable price. It's so far been reasonable price and cruddy service, or great service at an extraordinary price, but we're still looking.

Actually you are very much restricted to tel$tra with ADSL2+ out this way. They have advised all parties concerned that they will not be providing ADSL2+ to anyone but bigpong clients. Very biased and unfair to everyone else... so now you'll be stuck with a piddly little download limit, where they will bill you when you go over, and with ADSL2+ speeds that'll mount up rather rapidly (remember some of the horror stories on TodayTonight with people with bogpond bills over $1000 in a month!).



Exactly the actions people need to take to get ADSL.  Sadly though most people sit back and just whinge about it, rather than getting organised to make something happen.

Yep, I've been saying that all the way through all these years, Councils that haven't made requirements on developers to provide proper telecommunication services in their new development.

It's a dead set worry that in these new estates you can not get ADSL broadband with whoever you like.

The 'sweetheart' deal that Tel$tra did with the current Federal Government grants them exclusive ADSL2+ provision to anyone who is on lines capable of ADSL2+, as they do not have to give access to ADSL2+ to other ISP's, unless the other ISP's pay to have their own DSLAM's installed in the exchange, and that's highly unlikely to happen to places like Jimboomba, let alone Flagstone, Munruben, Cedar Grove, etc., due to the costs involved and little to no return on their investments.

Once the big 'T' has locked everyone in to 2 year contracts, no other ISP will invest in their own infrastructure in the exchanges for at least 2 years!